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Inquiring Minds Would Like To Know: Y U Worry I Ask


Here is a Brown American with a roaring (self-implied) career at UCLA-B. Why does he worry about India. We Indians will manage. Without him and without his help..

Twitter - Interactions 2013-04-18 01-04-59

Twitter – Interactions 2013-04-18 01-04-59

Interesting!

Here is an American, who has a long list of vituperative tweets about Gandhiji. Most of the time, it is equally bitter tweets about India. (links to tweets = Tweet1, Tweet2, Tweet3).

I mean, here is a Brown American. With a self-declared career at UCLA, Berkeley (if I remember correctly). Why does he spew poison about India 80% of the time?

As an American citizen, should he not be contributing his might to helping his country of choice to come out of an economic recession that poses an existential threat.

No! What does he do?

He goes on and on about India. Why worry about India.

We Indians will manage. Without him and without his help.

Since he has such a high opinion of himself (and I have no reasons to disbelieve his opinion of himself), why does he not extend a helping hand to his own countrymen.

PS: I forget.

Anyone here can figure why he needs to know my paternity?

Anything in my tweets that should make him want to know my paternity? I wonder … Inquiring minds would like to know …

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  1. Kumar
    April 17, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    There are thousands of Brown Americans who are ashamed of being Indian. But there are also many others like Hindu American Foundation and rajiv malhotra who have been successful in changing even the American text books (which is NOT an easy task) which depict hindu gods as ways not even imaginable., they also started the “Take back yoga ” campaign, and many accomplishments. But remember There are always two sides to a coin !

  2. April 17, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    There are thousands of Brown Americans who are ashamed of being Indian.

    None of my business!

    Their minds. Their shame. In their country of choice. About their view of their culture.

    What has that got to do with me?

    But there are also many others like Hindu American Foundation and rajiv malhotra who have been successful in changing even the American text books (which is NOT an easy task) which depict hindu gods as ways not even imaginable., they also started the “Take back yoga ” campaign, and many accomplishments.

    None of my business!

    Their children. Their children’s minds. School curriculum for their children in their country of choice. About the perception of the culture that they have chosen and wish to live with, change or accept.

    What has that got to do with me?

    If you see the kind of garbage that Rajiv Malhotra is writing about India on Twitter you will see what I mean. Pure rampant nonsense. Without data, facts, explanations, theory, models, background.

    Prophetic, Biblical verbiage which is a rather big, steaming pile of garbage.

    But people seem to think, that

    1. As he is a Brown American
    2. Due to the work he has done in his country, America, somehow gives him a right to give me garbage in my country.

    There are always two sides to a coin !

    My side of the coin is simply lay off.

    We have done well without you. We will do well with you.

    But …

    Even if we do badly, it is still our business. None of Brown American business.

  3. April 17, 2013 at 9:12 pm
  4. sant
    April 17, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    rise of chine ,india will downfall of american crab system of hypocracy of paper money ,breaking of family and social value ,monopolising thorough single currency, power and central govt,,taking care of society thorough govt social security is biggest catastrophic awaiting them,they are already bankrupt ,more feeling of insecurity by more boston like bomb explosion will bring on tourism,trevelling ,costing billion dollars on security and losing lot of taxes come from raustrarant,bar,pub,,gambling,american is destined to fail in nearer decade,,

  5. Sam Malone
    April 18, 2013 at 2:29 am

    Sir,

    If as an Indian you can worry about America with posts like these

    http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/americas-secret-police-whos-in-control-of-cia-anyone-here/

    Why can’t an American worry about India? So why don’t you let Americans worry about such things? Why don’t you worry about the equivalent entities in India?

    PS Interesting!

    This ‘Sam Malone’ has the same IP address as Vishaya Nandi – an unlikely name. It actually means Topic Bull.

    Akismet, the WordPress Spam detection software classified this ‘Sam Malone’ as a spammer – which is interesting.

    Anyway ‘Sam Malone’, your comment and Topic Bull’s comment were the same and I have answered it above. I have unspammed this message to ‘expose’ the spam type.

  6. Sridhar
    April 18, 2013 at 6:03 am

    Gandhi’s legacy is not the problem. It is the Nehru, Indira, Sonia and Congress legacy….that is the problem of this so-called weak nation. It is better to remain weak than to be arrogant and mass-killer of own and other country’s people in the name of freedom, progress et al.

  7. April 18, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Still my reply is the same …

    Our leaders, our country, our problem, our solution.

    And …

    None of their business.

    Why this ceaseless dilution of India and all that we have done.

    After all, in 1950 our then Food Minister went to the US and described India’s situation as ‘ship-to-mouth’. Today we are an exporter, in the Top10 economies of the world, a nuclear power with a sizable conventional armed forces capability. Significantly competitive, the most important thing is that for India, this is just the beginning. For the Rest of the world, at this stage of economic status, it is the beginning of the end.

    US, Europe, have been seeing a long, steady secular decline.

    Any which way, good or bad …

    Our leaders, our country, our problem, our solution.

    We dont need this contempt or disrespect from these Americans – White, Black, Green, Yellow, Blue, Red, and most of all, not from Brown-Americans.

  8. April 18, 2013 at 12:46 pm
  9. April 18, 2013 at 1:37 pm
  10. Vinod Sankar
    April 18, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Hi, I’m a fan of the 2ndlook blog, and thank you for the enormous amounts of time and energy that goes into this effort. I have also been following Atanu Dey’s blog (http://www.deeshaa.org/) on India’s development with interest. Based on his writings, and having met him briefly recently, I can assure you that he’s passionate about wanting India to transform herself into liberal, prosperous and strong nation. Like you, I’m not always in agreement with his viewpoints (especially regarding Mahatma Gandhi). I am also aware of Indian citizens who have been inspired by Atanu Dey’s ideas, and who are working on initiatives to translate these ideas into tangible, positive outcomes for the country. All these individuals are bound by the common desire to transform India within our lifetimes. At certain points in time, Atanu Dey does get frustrated with the state of affairs in our country. When he vents out this frustration, it can come across as empty criticism by a brown American talking down at India while not doing anything about her rehabilitation and transformation. I’m not referring to this particular view about Gandhiji, but your general view that he spits venom about the country most of the time on his blog. Since I’m aware of his intentions and the actions that he has inspired in other Indians, I sincerely believe that you have misunderstood him. India has several enemies already, and the need of the hour is for those wanting to see a transformed India to be on the same side. If those who would like a to see a transformed India spend their time and energy quarreling with each other, it does not help the cause. We could instead agree to disagree with him on certain areas – such as our views about Gandhiji.

  11. April 18, 2013 at 3:55 pm
  12. April 18, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Hi, I’m a fan of the 2ndlook blog, and thank you for the enormous amounts of time and energy that goes into this effort.

    Thank you for the time you have taken to go through the 2ndlook blog.

    I have also been following Atanu Dey’s blog (http://www.deeshaa.org/) on India’s development with interest.

    If you have been reading his blogs for some time, maybe you should read this one. via Atanu Dey on India’s Development » Blog Archive » Government Censorship.

    Based on his writings, and having met him briefly recently, I can assure you that he’s passionate about wanting India to transform herself into liberal, prosperous and strong nation.

    Does he have any experience in being able to ‘transform’ India? Or any other society, organization, group? Apart from hot air?

    His passion has nothing to do with us.

    As a foreigner, who is working full time in criticizing India, I would like to know how is he qualified. Is he is an Indian? No? Does he have any relevant experience? Not that I know of.

    I can assure you that he’s passionate about wanting India to transform herself into liberal, prosperous and strong nation.

    Basically, you seem to be implying that we desi Indians are incapable – and we need untested, unproven expertise from foreigners to ‘transform’ India. Even untested, unproven expertise from foreigners to ‘transform’ India is better than Indians.

    Like you, I’m not always in agreement with his viewpoints (especially regarding Mahatma Gandhi).

    Disagreement in unimportant.

    Unless it is Atanu Dey. He cannot handle disagreement – and immediately starts calling people retard, idiot, dog, donkey, pig to browbeat disagreement or dissent.

    From your twitter time line, I see that you have not decided to offer advice to Atanu Dey – like you have been offering to me. Why are you not giving advice to Atanu Dey?

    he’s passionate about wanting India to transform herself into liberal, prosperous and strong nation. Like you, I’m not always in agreement with his viewpoints (especially regarding Mahatma Gandhi). I am also aware of Indian citizens who have been inspired by Atanu Dey’s ideas, and who are working on initiatives to translate these ideas into tangible, positive outcomes for the country. All these individuals are bound by the common desire to transform India within our lifetimes. At certain points in time, Atanu Dey does get frustrated with the state of affairs in our country. When he vents out this frustration, it can come across as empty criticism by a brown American talking down at India while not doing anything about her rehabilitation and transformation.

    Can you point out two ideas that Atanu Dey has? Any two ideas that you can rub together for warmth to cold start your thinking? Any two ideas that will mate to produce a third idea?

    Two ideas that are supported by data, precedents, parallels – anything except his ‘passion’, his liberal use of names like calling people retard, idiot, dog, donkey, pig to browbeat disagreement or dissent.

    Have you written to Atanu Dey to stop his obnoxious and uncivilized behaviour?

    I wonder who are these clueless people who are getting ‘inspired’ by Atanu Dey’s ideas?

    frustrated with the state of affairs in our country.

    What is wrong with the State of Affairs that is wrong in our country? Any data?

    I suggest that you get off your mental dependence on foreigners – and look inwards.

  13. Vishaya
    April 19, 2013 at 3:31 am

    As an American, I wanted to ask you one thing. Why do you worry about our country with posts like this

    http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/americas-secret-police-whos-in-control-of-cia-anyone-here/

    Our leaders, our country, our problem, our solution.

  14. Vinod Sankar
    April 19, 2013 at 5:21 am

    Hi Anuraag, my sincere intent is not to get into a argument with you. You are free to hold onto your views, as I do to mine.

    You raise several counter arguments to most of my points, but have chosen not to respond to the final few lines of my comment related to the need for well wishers of India to be on the same side – given that we are facing an uphill task of taking on powerful vested interests who would like India to remain miserable. Infighting among well wishers of India distracts us from the task at hand. Also, such well wishers of India may or may not be Indian citizens. And we obviously differ in our personal opinions on whether AD is a well wisher of India or not!

    Based on your extensive understanding of history, you would know that there are thinkers, and there are doers. Thinkers and doers partner to produce concrete outcomes. The partnership of Chanakya and Chandragupta is only too well known. I’m certainly no Chanakya, but if I think I have a good idea, I do look to partner with my close friends whom I consider to be far superior doers than myself. This is natural behaviour. AD is a thinker. He therefore partners with others whose strength lies in execution. We find similar partnerships in play in organizations as well. I hope you don’t hold this against the individual you criticize.

    I also do not imply that desis are incapable of our own thought and action. I’m a desi myself, and I certainly do not intend to denigrate myself by making such assumptions. Given below is a quote from Sri Aurobindo that is relevant to this point.

    “Sri Aurobindo (in 1918): India can best develop herself and serve humanity by being herself and following the law of her own nature. This does not mean, as some narrowly and blindly suppose, the rejection of everything new that comes to us in the stream of Time or happens to have been first developed or powerfully expressed by the West. Such an attitude would be intellectually absurd, physically impossible, and above all unspiritual; true spirituality rejects no new light, no added means or materials of our human self-development. It means simply to keep our centre, our essential way of being, our inborn nature and assimilate to it all we receive, and evolve out of it all we do and create.”

    As to concrete ideas that AD has, one can find them in a book that he’s written, called ‘Transforming India’. A free PDF copy of the book can be downloaded from http://transformingindia.in/ . In this book, one can find data, precedents, parallels, and not just passion. :D

    If you believe that there is nothing wrong with the state of affairs in India today, then you are free to believe so. I know I can’t win a debate with you, but I certainly do not believe that all is well with our country!

    Finally, I’d like to think of myself as being fiercely native, and I do not believe that I have a mental dependence on foreigners whose intentions may be inimical to India’s interests. But as Sri Aurobindo points out above, I must also not be blind to positives that exist outside of India at this point in time.

  15. April 19, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Vinod – All these words and gyaan – but I see that you have been very stingy on your advice to Atanu Dey!

    Have you no advice for him?

    Is all the advice reserved to ‘polite’ desis?

    Don’t bother to revert unless I can see some ‘advice’ given to Brown American From Berkeley.

  16. April 19, 2013 at 4:50 pm
    Vishaya – Good question, except you are asking the wrong person.

    CIA’s ambit of operations is global – and last I heard India was a part of that world, where CIA is active.

    If you had read my previous post on the Military-Establishment+Secret Police that controls the US, and you will hopefully understand what I mean.

    The Soviet Secret police, (according to American media) was probably the closest competitor to the Secret Police-Military establishment of the US. But the Soviet secret police was under severe control of the Communist Party and was not a threat to the Rest of The World.

    The 30-lakh secret police plus the 15 lakh military, which is 45 lakhs and the 10 lakhs civilian police of the US are an international threat.

    For instance, the modern Russian Secret police is not my concern. The French secret police is not my concern.

    Your leaders, your country hasn’t a clue what to do! Edgar Hoover could not be touched by anyone for nearly 50 years.

    Your military and Secret Police have become our problem – and you don’t have a solution.

  17. Vishaya
    April 20, 2013 at 12:34 am

    “CIA’s ambit of operations is global – and last I heard India was a part of that world, where CIA is active”

    Where is the data? You link does not say India is a place where CIA is operational.

    BTW, why are you writing about gun ownership in Germany. http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2013/02/23/without-comment-gun-ownership-in-germany/
    Let them do whatever they like no? Why are Indians worried about that?

    Also why are you so worried about how “West” treats its citizens?

    http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/importance-of-being-free-how-are-twitter-facebook-being-prosecuted-in-christian-west-islamic-middle-east/

    Is it because we preach to you on what you should do and then do the exact opposite here?

    Why do you pick cartoons from Yumrikkan newspapers? No good cartoonists in India?
    Why do you host on wordpress.com? No good hosting solutions in India?

    If you can offer suggestions on what Germany, China, Japan, US can do, then Atanu Dey or anyone can offer suggestions on what your country can also do.

    Also if your ministers are coming with begging bowls to us http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/chidambaram-to-woo-investments-from-canada-us/article4605962.ece it is important for us to tell you what you should do.

  18. Vinod Sankar
    April 20, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Hi Anuraag, I hope you do not infer that I’m providing advice to you. I thought that we were only having an exchange of viewpoints. I’m in no position to advise you or Atanu Dey. Have a good day.

  19. manu
    April 21, 2013 at 9:57 am

    People of Indian origin are very successful in foreign lands esp the anglo saxon countries. They are model citizens, highly educated, highly skilled, enterprising and law abiding. This success comes by complying with the system, they believe in the system of the west, “if you play by the rules you succeed”.. is the tried and tested mantra. They are true believers of this system. Hence you will find Shyam Sunder (National Institute of Standards and Technology) neel kashkari etc . They will do the work assigned to them no question asked. No martin luther king no Gandhi will ever come out of this community coz THEY WORSHIP THIS SYSTEM and cant see any wrong in it. Be it Iraq invasion or the recent Wall Street induced financial misery. Coming to why they preach …You like it or not but a passport cannot change your color. Also they preach Indians of India because if they tried preaching their fellow citizens they will be asked to go back. The great line “If you don’t like it here you can go back” or the great aussie line “love it or leave it” ☺. But again there is nothing wrong with the system in USA etc hence no need to preach Or fix it .The system in their minds is perfect. The Vinod Sankars of India have to understand, the intentions of atanu deys and team maybe very true but the medicine/solution they suggest are from a system that is the problem. Time will tell if the atanu dey will convert vinod sarkar or atanu dey will have to rethink his beliefs

  20. Vinod Sankar
    April 22, 2013 at 4:41 am

    Hi Manu,
    Thank you for your views. My personal -admittedly biased- opinion is that I’m grounded enough in the native systems of India not to get ‘converted’ into accepting anything blindly. I don’t know either yourself or Anuraag personally. But since I do know Atanu Dey as an acquaintance, I wanted to provide another point of view for the purposes of discussion in this forum. I do not accept everything that AD has to say, but I do sincerely believe that there are many important ideas for us to think about in his book ‘Transforming India’ (http://transformingindia.in/). I’m all for not blindly accepting OR rejecting another point of view.

  21. April 22, 2013 at 4:46 am

    But you are still evading the topic of advise to Atanu Dey.

    Have you been as forthcoming in providing points of view to Atanu Dey and advise to Atanu Dey. Like I said before you go further here, you need to clarify your position on that.

  22. April 22, 2013 at 5:15 am

    I must be doing something right to provoke this kind of a crazed comment. Good-eee!

    Is there no difference between a foreigner (with an India antipathy) posing as India’s ‘saviour’ who has ‘ideas’ about ‘transforming’ India – and taking a critical view of global data from an Indian perspective.

    Drawing lessons for India from global precedents is one thing. Parading yourself as a saviour is another.

    Is it that you cant or wont see the difference?

  23. April 22, 2013 at 5:38 am

    No martin luther king no Gandhi will ever come out of this community coz THEY WORSHIP THIS SYSTEM and cant see any wrong in it.

    Probably you must read up some stuff on the Gadar Party or Bhagat Singh Thind.

    Gandhiji’s first success came when he took on the British Raj in South Africa – as a rather racial person himself. Accepting the system, so to say.

    This phase of Gandhiji, where he referred to Africans as kaffirs – a pejorative first used by Arabs and then by the Europeans also, because he partially saw the system as largely right.

    Also they preach Indians of India because if they tried preaching their fellow citizens they will be asked to go back. The great line “If you don’t like it here you can go back” or the great aussie line “love it or leave it” ☺

    Good!

    I am all for Brown Americans being patriotic, loving America and worry about America. There are numerous Indians who have accepted America’s dominant religion, Bobby Jindal, Nikki Randhawa, conformed and made a success of it. So, in the US conformance will get you success.

    Why are they so bothered about India?

    But again there is nothing wrong with the system in USA etc hence no need to preach Or fix it .The system in their minds is perfect.

    Good.

    Stay there. Work there. Prosper there. Be loyal to it. Why should they be profiting from the US and worrying about India. Is this not disloyal?

    The Vinod Sankars of India have to understand, the intentions of atanu deys and team maybe very true but the medicine/solution they suggest are from a system that is the problem.

    Intention is zilch.

    Intention is take advantage of all the hard work that Indians have put in make India what it is. Plain and simple greed. Pose as well-intentioned superior ‘biratheres’ and teach us dim-witted desis a few things!

    Then there is the other category. The KAFA Brown Americans (Kicked Around & F++++ Around) who seethe – and find gullible desis to vent their seething sense of outrage . Look at the outrage of one such person (who I have been told is a Brown American).

  24. April 22, 2013 at 5:41 am

    Have you any proof of any such exchange you had of your viewpoints with Atanu Dey?

  25. Vinod Sankar
    April 22, 2013 at 5:43 am

    Hi Anuraag,
    I’ve already mentioned in an earlier comment that I’m in no position to advice you or Atanu Dey. I did not evade this topic. You asked about concrete ideas proposed by AD. I directed you to http://transformingindia.in/ . I appreciate your work, and have learned from the same. Similarly, I’ve learned from AD’s works, and intend to work on doing my bit for the country. Infighting among those committed to the country acts as a distraction that I’d like to personally avoid. Keep up the good work (2ndlook blog)!

  26. Vinod Sankar
    April 22, 2013 at 5:52 am

    Hi Anuraag,
    “Intention is zilch.” I agree with your view that good intentions count for nothing if not backed by concrete action in the real world. That’s the difference between mouse-clicking activism on FB/ Twitter, and doing concrete work on the ground in India. I’ve made modifications to my lifestyle and priorities to be more of the latter and less of the former. Since you are in Mumbai, we could meet in person to discuss what these actions are. Many of these actions are inspired by Indian role models and others who are not in India (such as AD).

  27. April 22, 2013 at 5:59 am

    @Vinod – Your prevarications and evasions show that you have no gumption.

    Go with your viewpoints to Atanu! Let me see what he does with your ‘viewpoints’! I asm unilling to engage or discuss anything till I see you giving your advice to Atanu Dey.

    I see no role for anyone within or without Anyone with an India-antipathy should be taken at face-value and dealt with accordingly.

    Such people can never be ‘friends’.

    For 200 years, the British said they had good intentions. For some 200 years, a few Islamic inavders also had this great idea that they are friuends. Some Indians fools went along with such saviours.

    These days we have Brown saviours. Same difference. I am unlikely to affected to be affected by the color of the skin or how they offer worship.

    I get worried by this Saviour Syndrome.

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