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1857 – Book Exports From Britain To India


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This is a really interesting piece of information that that I came across – which shows the British propaganda circa 1857 in India.

  1. Aashish Singh
    September 1, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Namaskar Anuragji,

    While making this sort of comparison “1857 – Some History … Some Propaganda” where you talked about many commodities at which Bharat was a world leader in production and other countries looked up to us for trading, we forget that the rest of the world has come up from the position of eating dust, to a level good enough to be traded with.

    The period of 15th-16th century and after should not be taken as the feather in Bharat’s cap but feathers in the rest of the World’s hats. Why?? Let me explain, please correct me if i’m wrong?

    There were times in our history and in fact the world history, during the period before Chanakya (around 3 B.C) when we never thought of “Trading” with anyone. This was not because Bharat didn’t had anything to trade, or due to the reason that there were no trade routes but because there was no need to trade.

    Two very strong reasons for this are, first, Bharat was a sukh sampan society and second, rest of the world has nothing to trade with. Like Anil Ambani won’t ever think of trading anything with a rikshaw puller, similarly Bharat of that time had no reason to trade with the rest of the world.

    Western historians don’t talk about this period too often and deliberately cut it short when they do talk. This and the earlier period i think was the time when rest of the world was swinging from trees to trees, living in caves, living no better than than animals as a matter of fact. On the other hand, Bharat had a well organized, systematic society. In fact rest of the world was called impure by Bhartiye. It was considered to be a curse to be thrown out of Bharatvarsha (unlike today).

    There is something important to note which can be taken as a justification for the above claims….

    We find many-many accounts of Bharat of those times written by foreigners, however we rarely find any book, etc written by Bhartiye of those time about the rest of the world. Why??

    Though we had an advanced system of learning in those times, we also had language, (Sanskrit), we also had numerous and countless learned personalities who had written great works. Still, none of them cared to write about the rest of the world, surprising isn’t it.

    My assessment is that a Kingsly society, sukh sampan society has no reason to document a beggarly society. Think of todays USA wasting time in documenting about Rawanda etc. the evidence of which we can find 1000 years from now.

    However, we will find numerous account about Bharat of those times written by people of the rest of the world. A beggarly society (rest of the world) has all to learn and document from/about a Kingsly society.

    So, when we talk about the goodies of Bharat during the Islamic rule in India. The flourished trade during Akbar’s reign. Time after the Vasco D Gama trade route discovery. The world class stuff which Bharat had, to trade with the rest of the world. We forget to notice that in fact the rest of the world has come too far from where they were 1500 yrs ago. And what about Bharat…

    Please comment Anuragji.

    Thanks,
    Regards,
    Aashish

  2. September 2, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    we forget that the rest of the world has come up from the position of eating dust, to a level good enough to be traded with.

    The world was many parts – and some parts were in really bad shape But from what I can see there are really three eternal civilizations in the world. Indian, Assyrian and African.

    Assyrian Empire is what started from Indian borders, and stretched to Europe. The Assyrian Civilization is what Cyrus The Great usurped, Alexander got lucky with, the Romans occupied, the Byzantine Empire was, what Genghis Khan conquered and the Ottoman Turks lost after the WW1.

    The African Civilization is something that we know little about as in the last 150 years, African history has been buried. What little we know is scraps and pieces like the Egyptian Civilization. But Africa is much more than Egypt. But if Africa could survive the onslaught of the Desert Bloc for the last 1200 years – and still retain some parts of their tribal culture, and see it burst in angry rebellion in Cuba, Haiti and other places we have evidence of something which is very vital and strong.

    Now at various times these people have done well – and to say that they were eating dust would be hubris on out part.

    The period of 15th-16th century and after should not be taken as the feather in Bharat’s cap but feathers in the rest of the World’s hats. Why?? Let me explain, please correct me if i’m wrong?

    Not really. The feathers that you see in other’s caps are nothing feathers of slavery and loot. These were not the feathers of industry and enterprise.

    There were times in our history and in fact the world history, during the period before Chanakya (around 3 B.C) when we never thought of “Trading” with anyone. This was not because Bharat didn’t had anything to trade, or due to the reason that there were no trade routes but because there was no need to trade.

    India needed and traded with the rest of the world. Trade is good and mutually beneficial. How else did India build it vast gold reserves. India never produced any significant gold. Most of the gold produced in the world was a result of slave labour – which India did not have. So trade is fact of life – and India traded.

    Like Anil Ambani won’t ever think of trading anything with a rikshaw puller

    Everyone’s wealth is made from trade – inluding trading with the rickshaw puller. Who else buys electricity? Everyone trades! But everyone.It would be sad day if we are to look at the poor as unworthy of trading with! No trader will ever disrespect any buyer!

    similarly Bharat of that time had no reason to trade with the rest of the world.

    Hubris

    We find many-many accounts of Bharat of those times written by foreigners, however we rarely find any book, etc written by Bhartiye of those time about the rest of the world. Why?? Though we had an advanced system of learning in those times, we also had language, (Sanskrit), we also had numerous and countless learned personalities who had written great works. Still, none of them cared to write about the rest of the world, surprising isn’t it.

    Interesting question!

    My assessment is that a Kingsly society, sukh sampan society has no reason to document a beggarly society. Think of todays USA wasting time in documenting about Rawanda etc. the evidence of which we can find 1000 years from now.

    I would react by saying that poverty can be a result of many things – but do we need to have such disrespect for the poor!

    However, we will find numerous account about Bharat of those times written by people of the rest of the world. A beggarly society (rest of the world) has all to learn and document from/about a Kingsly society.

    The reason for this studies were not because India was rich (which it was) – but because we were fair and just society.

  3. Aashish Singh
    September 3, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Namaskar Anuraagji,

    Thanks for replying.

    “My assessment is that a Kingsly society, sukh sampan society has no reason to document a beggarly society. Think of todays USA wasting time in documenting about Rawanda etc. the evidence of which we can find 1000 years from now.”

    My intention in writing this is not to make a mockery of poverty, Anuraagji. What i wanted to highlighted is the fact that Rawanda etc. is a very insignificant country when compared to present day China, if we look from USA’s point of view. The amount of documentation, research and study done by USA about present day China might far exceed when compared to say, about Rawanda etc. Hence, for people living 2000 yrs from now, say, and trying to figure out past history they are more likely to find evidences about China than about Rawanda etc.(if digging in USA).

    In conclusion, whatever is most significant is recorded by people of that generation (be it good or bad that’s another issue, but it is documented, or is evidenced in some form) and other insignificant issues are either not dealt with or are rarely documented, hence the evidences of less documented or less significant things are less likely to be found at later date. Secondly, the few evidences of those less significant incidents and things are more likely to fade away and get completely lost with the passage of time.

    Thus when i say none of the Bhartiye scholars cared to document about the rest of the world. I want to make a point that the rest of the world must indeed be living in dust or was insignificant in every sense to be documented about. The rest of the world must not had been even bad as well, because being too bad is also significant.

    There used to be Greek ambassadors in the court of Indian kings, who have documented a lot about Bharat of those times, i don’t remember the names (not magasthene). But what about the Bhartiye ambassador in the courts of the Greek kings.

    I mean, USA is having its embassy in India but not the other way round. Is it possible, no never. So if Greek kings used to have their ambassadors in Indian kings court, where is our counterpart and where is their writings about Greeks and their kings and their culture, their cities etc.

    Magasthene is very well cited by historians. Though some say he was a liar and bragged a lot. However, he lived in Chandragupta reign for 14-15 yrs in Bharat and documented in great detail about culture, life style, everything.

    There were many other Greek travellers in Bharat, who have documented a lot. But not the other way round. So, Bharat was indeed significant and rest of the world not.

  4. Aashish Singh
    September 3, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    About India trading with the rest of the world and thus building its large Gold reserve, obviously you are more learned than me to view things more clearly.

    It seems that the history of the period before the 4-5th century B.C must be even more faded and i don’t know how much truthfully and thoroughly it has been evidenced.

    All i’ll say, naively, that Bharat was far far advanced. It’s my strong conviction.

    Thanks,
    Best Regards,
    Aashish

  5. Aashish Singh
    September 3, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    I said:
    “The period of 15th-16th century and after should not be taken as the feather in Bharat’s cap but feathers in the rest of the World’s hats. Why?? Let me explain, please correct me if i’m wrong?”

    Your reply:
    Not really. The feathers that you see in other’s caps are nothing feathers of slavery and loot. These were not the feathers of industry and enterprise.

    Very true. I agree to it completely. They build their empires and wealth on loot. I agree.

    But i’ll still say it’s a feather in their cap and not in ours? You know why?

    Because they came and looted us, plundered us, distorted and maligned our history. For the first time in our history we saw Famines, they plundered us to that extent.

    They butchered us in every sense, squeezed out whatever they can and to what ever extent they can but once they left we regard them as our God, we want to be like them in every sense, we want to talk in English, walk in English, read in English, do everything in English, we define perfection with English and by being English. Parents save even pennies to send their children to English medium school. Whole of the country revere them as God and is running after them, even though they twisted us upside down.

    Whose cap has the feathers, Anuraagji.

    Both Islamic and Britishers came to loot us, and both parties did that. Islamic invaders and their followers stayed in Bharat; Britishers invaded, looted and left.

    Both Islam followers and Hindus (fight each other), however both run after Britishers, adore them, and want to be like them in every sense.

    Whose cap has the feather Anuragji?

    Best Regards,
    Aashish

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