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Voting your caste


When Yumm-Rika votes as Latinos, WASPS, Blacks, Asians, Gender, Age it is demographics. In India it becomes caste-system..

As Bal Thackeray once said, Indians don’t just cast their vote.

As Indians prepare not to cast their vote but “vote their caste”, as Bal Thackeray once said, our sadhus and sanyasis, mahants and maulvis, pundits and preachers must be rubbing their hands in glee.

Folk faith was common in the West too until the Age of Enlightenment and then the new economic order introduced by the Industrial Revolution led to mass education and material advance. That precursor of mental development encouraged the masses to aspire to elitist heights of thought and culture. In contrast, our elite is sinking to the level of the masses. India may lead the world in Information Technology and be able to send a man to the Moon, but the influence that the successors of Dhirendra Brahmachari and Chandra Swamy are increasingly gaining suggests that the intellectual revolution that is the essential key to modernity has passed us by. (via Sunanda K Datta-Ray: Voting your caste).

Caste by another name ...

Caste by another name …

Advanced West vs ignorant Indians

Now the US votes on the basis of gender (more women voters do vote for democrats), color (more Hispanics and African Americans generally vote Democrats), age (younger voters are traditionally democrats in larger numbers), religion (only one Catholic has become a US President), race (only WASP – White Anglo Saxon Protestants allowed real power).

Now Sunanda Datta K. Ray is a bad case of vacillation – sometimes pathos and sometimes bathos. Some of his columns (Have you eaten?) is memorable for its breadth – and then you see this kind of ignorance.

In US societal divisions are called demographics and is a matter of high academic interest.(click on this link to see an interesting device to gauge demographic effects in US elections). In India, the West uses a pejorative called the caste system. The US system has ensured that the US voter gets more (Republican) or less (Democrats) of the same swill. What choice does the US voter have? The Indian voter has created a choice for himself by voting for a wide range of issues, agendas and parties.

But then the Indian voter is unlettered, ‘uneducated’ and does not speak English – and Sunanda K. Datta Ray is possibly vernacularly challenged!!


Change in Voting-Age Population (VAP), 2000-2007: Selected Battleground States in 2008

State Total VAP increase Hispanic VAP increase
Share of Total VAP Increase
Selected racial/ethnic groups Metropolitan areas
Traditionally Republican States
Colorado 15% 32% Hispanics: 32% 47% in Denver
North Carolina 12% 53% African Americans: 23%
Hispanics: 18%
29% in Raleigh-Durham
25% in Charlotte
Virginia 10% 51% Hispanics: 21%
African Americans: 21%
Asian Americans: 15%
47% in Northern Virginia
(including exurbs)
Traditionally Democratic States
Pennsylvania 3% 44% Hispanics: 38%
African Americans: 24%
Asian Americans: 20%
40% in Philadelphia suburbs
Swing States
Florida 15% 40% Hispanics: 42%
African Americans: 19%
19% in Miami-Fort Lauderdale
16% in Orlando
14% in Tampa-St. Petersburg
Missouri 7% 48% African Americans: 15%
Hispanics: 13%
35% in St. Louis
20% in Kansas City
15% in Springfield
Ohio 3% 34% African Americans: 26%
Hispanics: 18%
Asian Americans: 14%
43% in Columbus
34% in Cincinnati
Note: Data for African Americans and Asian Americans are for non-Hispanic members
of these groups who did not identify with another racial groupSources: Population Reference Bureau, analysis of data from U.S. Census Bureau,
"Annual State Population Estimates with Sex, 6 Race Groups (5 Race Alone Groups
and One Group with Two or more Race Groups) and Hispanic Origin: April 1, 2000
to July 1, 2007," accessed online at www.census.gov/popest/datasets.html on
May 31, 2008; and "Annual Estimates of the Resident Population by Selected Age Groups
and Sex for Counties: April 1, 2000 to July 1, 2007,"
accessed online at www.census.gov/popest/counties/asrh/CC-EST2007-agesex.html,
on Aug. 31, 2008.

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  1. galeo rhinus
    March 17, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    I understand the point you are making… however, I don’t think it serves your goal, to take the bait of comparison.

    A separate comparative article, that contrasts India and the west is more appropriate than a reactionary one – that responds to pieces such as “Voting your caste.”

    India should look inward for improvement, not because the western progressivists want it, but because India should acknowledge that the damage from the 19th century has to be undone – and on India’s own terms.

    By taking this bait – you are exactly where the progressives want you to be – a reactionary – who does not want India to change.

    In fact, because Indic thought is founded on the basis of perpetual change it has never lost sight for the desire to live free… that will remain an unchanging desire… freedom is the root of all Indic thought.

  2. November 7, 2012 at 3:25 pm

  3. November 8, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Anurag Ji,

    I wonder if you can see things from a Bharat-Tantra starting (and end-) point always! Why so much apologetics over the caste system. Some times it is good to wear the label that our civilizational opponents give us with pride. The blacks have done it.

    Why not be conservative and pro-status quo, and even reactionary? Senthil Raja has taken a 2nd look at the stability benefits of the caste system in rural India. Gurumurthy has written about the social capital of thriving Tiruppur vs. failing Perambur. What the Mlecchas consider bad can have some good in it! Money power is less important than role in society. It IS unfair to have rights-duties-by-birth attached to it. That needs to be energetically opposed.

    Parag Topè Ji,

    I agree that freedom is important to free thinkers, but such people live outside the bounds of society (renunciates and sannyAsis). A society that aims to last long, changes slowly, and therefore is deliberately passive, especially during periods of enforced rapid change.
    Bharateeya society prioritised the community over the individual, and continues to do so. Just see how important social relationships are for success in career, status or domestic life, more than merit or individual desires.

    BTW, I bought Operation Red Lotus and loved it. The military and historical details and analysis were superb. Eminently readable, multiple times! Wish more people could do endeavours like you and your great family.

  4. November 8, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Senthil Raja on the caste system. Link was omitted prev. post, sorry.

  1. May 15, 2009 at 12:38 pm

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