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I married Iranian girls before their execution

Indian independence, which had a large dose of non-violent protest, was preceded by British loss of initiative and control.

In the Islamic Republic it is illegal to execute a young woman, regardless of her crime, if she is a virgin, he explained. Therefore a “wedding” ceremony is conducted the night before the execution: The young girl is forced to have sexual intercourse with a prison guard – essentially raped by her “husband.”

“I regret that, even though the marriages were legal,” he said.

Why the regret, if the marriages were “legal?”

“Because,” he went on, “I could tell that the girls were more afraid of their ‘wedding’ night than of the execution that awaited them in the morning. And they would always fight back, so we would have to put sleeping pills in their food. By morning I married Iranian girls before their girls would have an empty expression; it seemed like they were ready or wanted to die.

“I remember hearing them cry and scream after [the rape] was over,” he said. “I will never forget how this one girl clawed at her own face and neck with her finger nails afterwards. She had deep scratches all over her.” (via I married Iranian girls before their execution | Iran news | Jerusalem Post).

Newer methods of killing people humanely

Newer methods of killing people ‘humanely’

The Law of the Land

The ‘law of the land’ is supreme. All are equal in the ‘eyes of the law’ of the land. And if humanity comes in the way, just trash it!

Whether is the US, which is a leader in ‘research’ to kill in a ‘humane’ manner – kill people deemed to be prisoners of the State. Or in Iran where people (young girls) are raped to meet the requirements of the ‘law of the land’.

These legal systems trace their lineage to the Hammurabic Code. Draco’s Laws in Greece, or the lex talionis in Rome, right upto and leading to the world’s largest prison population in the US, or the Sharia in Islāmic societies. Israeli propaganda apart, the real reason for this state of affairs is the legal philosophy inherited from Hammurabi.

The alternative

The other is the Indic model which is evidenced on the laws of Lipit Ishtar, the Hitties legal systems to the Arthashastra of Kautilya Chanakya. In India, till the advent of the Desert Bloc in India – with the brief Islamic rule from 1200-1400 (the Slave Dynasty, the Khiljis and Tuglaks), to the muddled Indo-Saracenic Moghuls to the downright asuric colonial rule. In spite of this, the Indian system has managed a low crime, low prisoner, low capital sentence, low police regime – which is unique in the world.

  1. Galeo Rhinus
    July 21, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    I think there are two distinct elements here:

    1. The Desert Bloc Laws – which you address
    2. The abuse of these laws

    This case is far more about #2 than #1.

    It is tempting to use this story (just as the Jersalem Post is using it) to implicitly attack Islam – however, the appropriate commentary, in my opinion, would be to point out how far Islamic law has fallen in the middle-east, including Iran, in recent times.

    About the Hammurabic Code – it is simply symptomatic of a powerful state – not the root of the problem.

    The comparison with India is tricky – because the state has become more powerful than it ever was and is progressively becoming even more powerful.

  2. Galeo Rhinus
    July 22, 2009 at 12:10 am

    Now read this story… fresh off the press


    While the obvious issue is race – the real question to ask is – should the police be arresting a person, handcuffing him for “loud and tumultuous behavior” because he was being arrested for breaking into his own home.

    While the trigger was race – the ease with which police can and do arrest people really demonstrates how intrusive the police have become.

  3. Galeo Rhinus
    July 22, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    whoa! I missed the portion where you attribute an Indic “law and order” model to Lipit Ishtar??

    It is a combination of criminal and personal law… and it is silly that any Indic model would ever consider having any centralized “code” for this… criminal laws were always decentralized – and so were personal laws.

    Do you *really* think that India would have ever had a centralized code like the following?

    -If a man rented an ox and injured the flesh at the nose ring, he shall pay one-third of its price.

    that’s just silly!

  4. July 22, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    I think there are two aspects that you are missing out: –

    The crime-justice-police scenario in India. It is so far away from the global norm, that it needs a major re-think. Trotting out standard and convenient explanations just dont help. I will not repeat the data here – which is embedded in the post.

    While the post-colonial Indian Government is not what India needs or deserves, fact is there is ’embedded Indic system’ which runs this country – which has taken centuries to inculcate. It has dimmed and rusted – but there is evidence, that it still exists.
    This ’embedded Indic system’, was precisely designed with mechanisms that will help it to withstand depredations that we have seen in the last 1000 years.

    Coming to Lipit Ishtar and Hammurabic Code
    The Hammurabic Code was best represented by the Asuric-Slave Empires of the Assyrians and the Egyptians. The Lipit Ishtar and the Hittite Laws were a major departure from the Hammurabi-Draco-lex talionis-Sharia-US prison population school which was based on an eye for eye logic. The Law of the Land is supreme school is what the Desert Bloc is all about.
    The Indic system (Lipit Ishtar, Hittites, Chanakya, et al) was ameliorative – and was not keen on cutting away hands, legs taking out eyes – but more on the basis of making good the loss. You also need to see that Lipit Ishtar was operative in a small part of the modern Middle East. Humanity is more important than any law is the operative part of Indic law. Hence, Indians are more likely to follow laws in spirit rather than the letter; whereas the Desert Bloc system spends billions on meaning-defining-refining-interpreting laws.
    Chanakya Arthashastra also prescribes exact monies to be paid for exact crimes – for instance,

    The proposer and the accessory shall be punished with the first amercement [A fine ranging from 48 to 96 panas is called first amercement; from 200 to 500 panas, the middlemost; and from 500 to 1,000 panas the highest
    Even agreements entered into by an authorised person shall be void if he was at the time (of making the agreements) under provocation, anxiety, or intoxication, or if he was a lunatic or a haunted person.
    In all these cases, the proposer, his accessory, and witnesses shall each be punished as specified above.

    (Kautilya’s Arthashastra, Book III: Concerning Law; Translated by R. Shamasastry).
    Your bit about how far Islamic Laws have fallen is a complete Red Herring. In my Quicktake Blog, I have listed many instances, where immediately after the current and ongoing Great Deconstruction, there were calls for heads to be lopped off.

    Off with their head
    What else is the Madoff, R. Allen Stanford trails about? Cut off their heads, legs, or whatever, so that the public appettite for revenge and retrbution is satiated.
    On the other the Satyam Scam has been dealt with most differently. Indians are not howling for Raju’s head? Or earlier for Harshad Mehta’s head or Ketan Parikh’s? The lack of need for public retribution and revenge is something that needs to be understood and explained!

  5. Galeo Rhinus
    July 22, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    Low crime and India – again – you are confusing two different things – society vs. polity… The question is how powerful does the state get in a matter of deciding who is a criminal. I am not debating how Indian society views criminals.

    About Hammurabi and Lipit Ishtar and Arthashastra.

    Your statement ” the Indic model which traces its lineage to Lipit Ishtar” is something that is just plain silly.

    You reverse the logic – and I might go with the thought. I would also be outraged if you were to claim that Indic polity traces its roots to kautilya arthashastra…

    both these statements – IMO – are logically inverted.

    I would make the following statement – the legal framework presented in the Arthashastra was a specific example of Indic polity…

    … I would never ever agree that Indic laws “trace their lineage” to some hittite codification that existed around 1900BC… that’s just plain silly!

  6. July 23, 2009 at 6:33 am

    I see the distinction that you seem to be making.

    Lipit Ishtar, Hittite Laws and Kautilya’s Arthashastra (LHK) were examples and evidence of a different Indic legal system – which obviously pre-dated the LHK.

    Indic legal systems do NOT ‘trace their lineage – but are evidenced by the LHK’.

    Evidence of hopefully ‘vestigal’ colonial historiography!

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