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Will BJP revive the Population Control dogma?


Old lies have become the New Truth! Population Control, Climate Change - Frauds!

Old lies have become the New Truth! Population Control, Climate Change - Frauds!

Great successes in Population planning

The Romani Gypsies, Sinti have been a favored European target for Population Planning in the last 500 years . By the Vatican, by the Protestant Church, by monarchies and by Republican Governments. In war and and in peace. Pakistan is another great success in Population Planning for Hindus. There are hardly any Hindus left in Pakistan.

Vatican does not want to be left behind in Population Planning. There are few Protestants in Catholic France, Spain, etc. America’s undertook a mission to implement Population Planning for ‘Red’ Indians. Hardly any ‘Red’ Indians are left. Australia is is the envy of the world in Population Planning for aborigines. There are so few aborigines left. Hitler was a great believer in Population Planning. He said, “Let us start with Jews first!” Hitler, Australia, America, Vatican, Pakistan – Population Planning Champions.

Now India also wants to join this Elite Champions Club of Population Planning. In India it is called Family Planning for the Poor.

Ideological frauds of 20th century

Before the Climate Change Scam, the West had pressured the world to accept the Population Control Fraud. Under various names and disguises, this theory has been time and again been reborn. After Sanjay Gandhi and the Emergency, it had become unfashionable to talk of Family Planning anymore in India.

In the last few months, BJP has taken off from where the Congress abandoned this rather flagrant fraud. A few days ago we had Shivraj Chauhan extolling Sanjay Gandhi and Family Planning.

Speaking at a function, Chouhan said, “After the Emergency the leaders abandoned population control completely. One remembers Sanjay Gandhi in these times. The programme that he started is praise-worthy”.

He also admitted that malnutrition was a big problem in Madhya Pradesh.

It appears that efforts made to control malnutrition in the past did not meet desired success, he said.Before malnutrition is contained steps should be taken to stabilize family planning methods in the state, he added. (via MP CM lauds Sanjay Gandhi’s sterilisation drive).

Earlier, in March while

Expressing concern over rising population, Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan has said that the state would observe year 2010-11 as a ‘family planning year’.

“Population stabilisation is necessary for ensuring development and therefore the issue will be included in the ‘Madhya Pradesh Banao’ campaign, Chouhan said, while awarding 22 couples under Prerna Yojana at his residence yesterday.

Yet another BJP Chief Minister, in Karnataka, B S Yeddyurappa, fresh from his China visit threatened the people of Karnataka. From the floor of the Karnataka Legislature, Yeddyurappa thundered, “limit two children per couple and those who fail to adhere to this norm lose all government benefits”.

Venkaih Naidu, the past-BJP President weighed into the debate supporting Yeddyurappa and Shivraj Chauhan. Naidu said, “Population control is not a religious issue. It’s a social issue for the entire country”.

Famous last words?

I hope so!

Human beings are such a pain! We should do something about people!

Human beings are such a pain! We should do something about people!

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  1. A fan of your blog
    September 2, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Once you take out the “West pressured” part out, your argument is untenable. No person in their sane minds will argue that more population is better for India. Forget about western influence. Think for a minute about feeding, educating and clothing a growing Indian population. With the resources we have, it is well nigh impossible to do that today. If we continue to grow at this rate, who will feed and clothe and educate them tomorrow? If India had half the population today, it would be a developed nation by now.

    A recent report shows that only 18% of grads who work in IT industry in India have the skills to be in those jobs:
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/only-18-tech-graduates-fit-for-job/662069/

    If this is the case in an industry where India clearly takes pride in, I shudder to think what the case will be with other industries.

    One argument you make in your linked post is that older population needs younger people to support them and take care of them. Who is going to support these younger people when they get older? Its one thing to make lemonade when you get lemons (which seems to be Nilekani’s argument). Its another altogether when you continue to cultivate lemons in the hope that someday everyone in the world will start drinking lemonade by the gallons all of a sudden.

  2. September 2, 2010 at 8:55 am

    I am not feeding the Indian population.

    Are you?

    Why are you so bothered about feeding me (and my family) or any Indian (family)!

    Thanks for the offer but, no thanks. I dont want you or anyone else to worry about feeding me (and my family)or any Indian (family)!

    And that goes for

    1. Educating me (and my family) or any Indian (family)
    2. Finding a job for me (and my family) or any Indian (family)
    3. Giving the skills to me (and my family) or any Indian (family)

    et al.

    And if me and my family are not your concern or burden, why are we even discussing my family (of any shape, size, colour, religion. education, etc.).

    End of the discussion!

  3. September 2, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Pakistan is a great success in Family Planning for Hindus. There are hardly any Hindus left in Pakistan. Vatican does not want to be left behind in Family Planning. There are few Protestants in Catholic France, Spain, etc. America’s undertook a mission to implement Family Planning for ‘Red’ Indians. Hardly any ‘Red’ Indians are left. Australia is is the envy of the world in Family Planning for aborigines. There are few aborigines left.

    Hitler was a great believer in Family Planning. He said, “Let us start with Jews first!” Hitler, Australia, America, Vatican, Pakistan-Family Planning Champions.

    Now India also wants to join this Elite champion club Family Planning for the Poor.

  4. Galeo Rhinus
    September 2, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    As a supporter of the BJP – I am concerned by these statements – if they represent a pattern.

    I hope that these are no more than isolated statements of individuals who have fallen for the “population control” dogma.

  5. September 2, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Thanks Galeo!

    Coming for a dyed-in-the-wool- BJP supporter, it means a lot.

    I do hope that people see the danger that such twisted programmes represent.

  6. Galeo Rhinus
    September 2, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    I do have a concern….all the innuendo about BJP being similar to Hitler’s Germany or Pakistan is very similar to the BJP baiting that we have seen coming from the Congress, socialists and the media.

    Hopefully – this tone – is a reflection of your strong position on the population control issue (which I share) – not a reflection of your political position.

  7. A fan of your blog
    September 3, 2010 at 3:47 am

    Anuraag Sanghi :I am not feeding the Indian population.
    Are you?
    Why are you so bothered about feeding me (and my family) or any Indian (family)!

    I cannot believe we are having this ridiculous discussion! Anyone who has a basic understanding of economics will know your argument is completely bogus and drips of a serious persecution complex. This is not a “us vs. them” argument. Anyway here goes:

    Consider this:

    You are the head of a household. You and your wife work and are productive individuals, providing for your family. As with most households, you have access to finite resources and you have to make choices between these resources and allocate them appropriately between various household expenditures. In other words, you do not have access to infinite amounts of money (which is true with most individuals.

    Now, tell me:
    Will you be able to provide better facilities (food, shelter, clothing, education) for two kids or ten kids?
    The chances of your kids getting a good education and becoming responsible, productive individuals who can contribute to the GDP and taxes of your country (whether it is India, USA, UK, China, Japan or Timbuktoo) are better with two kids or ten kids?

    With the limited resources a household has, any household will be able to have a better lifestyle when the number of members of that household are smaller than larger. That is basic supply and demand. Economics 101.

    Now take this to a larger, macro-economic level. As a society or a country (irrespective of whether the society is white, black, brown, pink, yellow, green), given finite resources (arable land, water, minerals, etc.), we will be able to provide better facilities when the number of individuals is smaller. These facilities include road and transportation, water supply, food grains, urban living, etc.

    When overall population increases, the number of people who are marginalized because they cannot partake in mainstream society’s productive activities increases. These marginalized elements either live off of welfare (tax paid by you or me) or become anti-establishment and take up arms, drugs, crime, etc. There is a definite cost to rehabilitating these elements, which is paid by the taxpayers.

    When that happens, I am feeding these people through my tax rupees/dollars/dinars/roubles/pounds/yen/etc..

    At the macro-economic level, money (taxpayer’s or individuals) is used to create educational systems, roads, social security, health system, etc. When marginal elements increase, they become burden on the productive taxpaying individuals.

    You seem to agree that more productive individuals are better for society because they can support older non-productive individuals. So this should not be too difficult for you to process and agree with. I hope.

    Thanks for the offer but, no thanks. I dont want you or anyone else to worry about feeding me (and my family)or any Indian (family)!
    And that goes for
    1. Educating me (and my family) or any Indian (family)2. Finding a job for me (and my family) or any Indian (family)3. Giving the skills to me (and my family) or any Indian (family)
    et al.
    And if me and my family are not your concern or burden, why are we even discussing my family (of any shape, size, colour, religion. education, etc.).
    End of the discussion!

    This is not a my family versus your family argument at all. You feed your family and I will feed mine. But your own ability to make your family into productive inbdviduals in society is hampered when you have ten kids versus two kids.

    Consider this: As literacy levels in individual societies increase, birth rates drop rapidly. At the household level, people: a) understand these laws of economics better and b) make good birth control choices. They are incentivized internally to have lesser children, This is by volition and not through pogroms that you have conveniently and ridiculously used as examples to make your case against population control and family planning.

    Societies in which population grows rapidly are faced with chicken and egg conundrum. These societies are growing too fast to increase literacy levels. Literacy levels are not increasing because populations are growing faster, making it harder to reach them and provide quality education. This has resulted in a downward spiral of rapid growth and plummeting education levels. In such cases, financial and non-financial incentives can play a big role in containing rapid population growth so that better standard of life can be achieved for these individuals by themselves. This does not mean that large numbers of people are hacked to death. This assumption of yours is erroneous and misleading.

    Value of life and quality of life are negatively correlated to population numbers. This applies not only to humans, but animals too. Look at species near extinction and how much they are cared for. Why? Because they are smaller in number. Same applies to people who die in accidents or mishaps. In India and China, when people die in accidents, they barely raise eyebrows with our own peoples, unless they are VIPs. Reason being the larger population numbers have decreased the value of lives within the eyes of our own peoples. This is no western conspiracy, just basic economics. See this video in its entirety for yourself. It makes that very point:

  8. September 3, 2010 at 7:14 am

    Hopefully – this tone – is a reflection of your strong position on the population control issue (which I share) – not a reflection of your political position.

    My political position on BJP, Congress and everyone else is based on their actions and policies.

    This criticism on the BJP (like my other criticism of BJP, Congress et al) is issue based. The attempt is definitely NOT to tar or glorify.

  9. September 3, 2010 at 7:18 am

      AFOYB

    – Same point.

    My family, my family’s decision. Not yours, not anybody else’s. Definitely, not a decision for the Government. No way. No discussion.

    None of your business.

  10. A fan of your blog
    September 3, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Is this the best you can come up with to defend your position? Frankly, I am disappointed.

    Your position does not have a leg to stand on and goes against basic common sense. If you are going to cause harm to your self and your family just because you believe it comes from “western thought that is shoved down your throat”, then good luck to you. However, most people make rational choices that go beyond “dogma”, thankfully. Please note that the dogma is yours and not BJP’s, Congress’ or anyone else’s.

  11. September 3, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    No one … but no one has a right to decide for my family, myself .. and by the same logic for any one else.

    Simple. Western, Eastern, Indian, Foreign, Chinese, Persian, Russian are all incidental.

    At a basic level, this is not up for negotiation for me!

    Maybe it is for you …

  12. A fan of your blog
    September 3, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Ok. Let’s consider this.

    When you live in civil society, along with individual basic freedoms and rights comes basic responsibility. You may feel that you have the right to procreate per your wishes without inhibition or indulgence from others. That is fine. Where the argument becomes absurd is when you (the procreator, and not Anuraag per se) cannot provide basic needs for your procreations because those needs are beyond your means. The state then needs to step in and take care of those basic needs. Look at the sheer magnitude of Welfare programs run by the GoI:

    http://www.indiastat.com/socialandwelfareschemes/27/stats.aspx

    Just NREGA itself, which is but one of the components of welfare from GOI, is massive:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi_National_Rural_Employment_Guarantee_Act

    At an individual level, all you say is fine. As a Government that needs to feed and clothe and provide healthcare for its citizens while respecting human rights, that welfare is an ever-growing burden with an ever-growing population.

    Unless, as an individual with your personal freedoms, you do not use any facilities that GoI creates for its citizens (water supply, roads, sanitation), you have a responsbility towards civil society, which is to procreate only as much as you can provide for. If you do not, then your wards will need to be taken care of by the welfare state.

    Now the problem is that, for many, procreation is purely a biological process. The nurturing part is something they cannot handle with their resources. This is true not only for India, but US and other countries as well. For this reason, it is necessary to educate them and incentivize them about the benefits or smaller families and the hazards of larger ones. Thats where the “Chota parivar, sukhi parivar” and “Hum do, hamare do” type campaigns come in.

    However, there are two things that have come in the way of achieving this:
    1. Sanjay Gandhi, with his jingosim, has more damage than good to the concept of family planning, by wreaking havoc through forcible measures.
    2. Just like most other things, GoI has been ineffective in developing and executing any meaningful campaigns that can rein in population.

    I am sure you are aware of JRD Tata’s famous efforts to make this a priority with Nehru as well as Indira Gandhi. However, Nehru brushed it off. Within a 20 year period, population of India had grown from 300 million odd people to 600 million odd people in the early 70s. That, my friend, is the tragedy of India. If India had come up with any campaigns that were not thrust down people’s throats, India today would be a developed country, plain and simple. It is not very difficult to do the analysis and come up with those numbers.

  13. Galeo Rhinus
    September 3, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    “The attempt is definitely NOT to tar or glorify.”

    Again – the only way one can claim neutrality if there is parity in the rhetoric. As far as I remember – I don’t think you ever called Sanjay Gandhi (who actually executed the population control dogma) a Hitler… but are choosing to freely use that association with BJP.

    Much like the media – who pretends to be a neutral – but have an obvious anti-BJP bias…

    …are you doing the same – either deliberately or inadvertently?

  1. September 1, 2010 at 10:50 pm

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