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Deoband talks of Kashmir


Maybe the the fighting is more important than the cause ... (Cartoon courtesy - The Banglaore Mirror; Posted On Thursday, August 27, 2009 at 07:03:08 PM)

Maybe the the fighting is more important than the cause ... (Cartoon courtesy - The Banglaore Mirror; Posted On Thursday, August 27, 2009 at 07:03:08 PM)

This is the first time JuH has taken up the Kashmir issue. The resolution stressed, “We don’t consider interests of the Kashmiri people to be separate from the interests of Indian Muslims.” It also called all like-minded people and organisations to campaign for peace and justice in Kashmir and “thwart enemy forces bent upon disintegration of Kashmir”.

When asked why were they silent so long, All India Muslim Personal Law Board’s Kamal Farooqui said, “Muslims were not comfortable talking about Kashmir for fear of getting branded and harassment by police and intelligence agencies.”

Asked about the prospect of resolution of the Kashmir issue, he said, “The country is in a reconciliatory mood, be it on J&K or Ayodhya. So, reconciliation within the Indian Constitution is the way out. An overwhelming section of Kashmiris want it, too. Which stupid person would want to go with Pakistan?” (Via : Jammu & Kashmir’s future with India: Deoband – The Times of India).

Deoband on Kashmir.

Deoband speaks out for Kashmiri Muslims – a part of the larger set of Indian Muslims. The Deobandis think that only a ‘stupid person would want to go with Pakistan’.

India needs to be clear headed. Religion is at home; you are an Indian everywhere. Problems with this? You know what to do ... (Cartoon by Kirtish Bhatt; Published on September 15, 2010; courtesy - http://bamulahija.wordpress.com)

India needs to be clear headed. Religion is at home; you are an Indian everywhere. Problems with this? You know what to do ... (Cartoon by Kirtish Bhatt; Published on September 15, 2010; courtesy - http://bamulahija.wordpress.com)

Deoband is also tasking the Indian State with the removal of AFSPA, human rights abuses and compensation for those killed in Kashmiri violence.

Is this Deobandi approach cutting ice with the secessionist-azaadi fighters? The TOI report does not think so?

Without my tongue getting cut-off

This discussion provokes some really basic questions from Kashmiri secessionist-azaadi fighters.

Freedom from what? The economic burden of India on Kashmir? Can Kashmiri secessionist-azaadi fighters prove how India ‘burdens’ Kashmir? Right now, Rest of India subsidizes Kashmir. Is it forced conversions from Islam by a ‘Hindu’ Indian State?

Are there attempts to change the demographic profile of Kashmir by ‘Hindu’ migration into Kashmir? Self-rule to do what? How is Kashmiri secessionist-azaadi fighters rule going to be different from the past and the present?

What will you do

If Kashmir  indeed ‘suffered’ from rigged elections, has the Kashmiri secessionist-azaadi fighters polity been a part of the solution? Or do they think that it is the responsibility of a ‘Hindu’ India to deliver ‘perfection’ to the Kashmiris? Is it that Kashmiris have a right to make ‘demands’ and it is the job of the ‘Hindu’ Indian State to ‘meet’ these demands?

Immi-grunts

This is a lot like many ‘desi‘ Indians who migrate, believing that they can expect ‘superior’ systems in the West? All that these ‘desi‘  ‘immi-grunts’ have to then do is take ‘advantage’ of opportunities in the West! Is it surprising that these ‘desi‘ Indian  ‘immi-grunts’ hit ‘glass-ceilings’, encounter ‘racism’?

Nation-building is a tough job – and someone’s gotta to do it! You can’t ‘escape from backward’ India to the ‘forward’ West. Not without becoming second-class citizens. The Indian ‘immi-grunt’ has seen some level of acceptance – after India itself achieved some modicum of success.

Probably the Kashmir problem has been aggravated by Pakistan to coincide with Obama's visit! (cartoon courtesy - ahram.org).

Probably the Kashmir problem has been aggravated by Pakistan to coincide with Obama's visit! (cartoon courtesy - ahram.org).

Worth their weight in salt

If Kashmiri terrorists believe they are capable administrators, let them win an election, and prove their administrative capacity. Let them demonstrate that it is Rest of India which is hobbling Kashmir?

Do the ‘freedom’ fighters’ of Kashmir believe that by shouting azaadi they will get ‘freedom’! Freedom to impose their Wahabbi-Sunni-Shariat ‘vision’ on Indians?

Some 75 years ago, Indians could prove to the British rulers and to the world, that the British Empire was a burden on Indians.

While Indians were engaged in this epic struggle, some Indian Muslims could also make out a case (to the British) for a separate Indian Muslim Homeland. They called it Pakistan. Maybe Pakistan needs these ‘superior’ Kashmiris. Why not prove your superiority?

The template of terrorism was first used to break up the Ottoman Empire. (Cartoon - TN Ninan; Courtesy - Mumbai Mirror;   Posted On Sunday, October 24, 2010 at 07:27:00 PM).

The template of terrorism was first used to break up the Ottoman Empire. (Cartoon - TN Ninan; Courtesy - Mumbai Mirror; Posted On Sunday, October 24, 2010 at 07:27:00 PM).

Options and futures

Maybe it is time that India offered some real simple choices to these Kashmiri secessionist-azaadi  leaders. No more demands. No more negotiations.

One - Simply integrate into India. Fight and win elections. Work with the Indian Election Commission to ensure a clean election. Make a difference in Kashmir.

Two - Many decades ago, Kashmiris thought that an ideal location for a base for their freedom ‘struggle’ was the UK. May be they can live in PoK, or Pakistan. Why ever not in Saudi Arabia? Or, they can live in ‘Yumm-rika’ – like Ajmal Kasab wants! I say, anyone who will have them. It may be time for these leaders to see the world.

Three - If not two of the above choices, these leaders must get the third option – Indian jails await you. It is the worst of the three options for everyone – including the Indian State.

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  1. pravin
    October 28, 2010 at 4:10 am | #1

    have you confused india the nation from india the nation-state?. kashmiris cannot stop being “indian” just because they want another country.the indian state has been maintaining its hold over kashmir by client govts like farooq/sheikh abdullah or 1.5 million military personnel.this is no different from an occupation.

    why have a bad marriage that saps everyone’s lives? i dont want to pay for the govt’s desires to hold on to a piece of territory.divorces are ok.

    sedition is a colonial idea created to prevent “freedom fighters” from revolting by the british raj.most of the colonial states have removed this ridiculous idea.ofcourse,the indian state has not.it is just a copy of the old raj ideas.

  2. Galeo Rhinus
    October 29, 2010 at 11:01 pm | #2

    Kashmir’s “marriage” with India has largely been “bad” because Pakistan has existed…
    …with Pakistan at the brink of going Kaput – India is in a great position to change the status from “holding on” to Kashmir to integrating it…

    These recent flare-ups in Kashmir could be Pakistan’s (and its mentors) last stand before it ceases to exist…

    …not to be taken lightly though…

    About “sedition”… you can’t embrace the “colonial” idea of a state, a top down polity, a parliament – and then selectively reject ideas that do not suit you.

    While India’s goal should be to transform itself from a top-down state to a “nation” that it always was – that transition must be at a pace that strategically does not weaken it… meanwhile – words like “sedition” – like them or not – are a meaningful tool of the “state” to manage its integrity… the word “sedition” will abolish itself when the transformation is complete…

  3. October 30, 2010 at 7:19 am | #3

    the indian state has been maintaining its hold over kashmir by client govts like farooq/sheikh abdullah or 1.5 million military personnel.this is no different from an occupation.

    I refuse to believe that a a few hundred ‘hired’ stone-pelters and mercenary jihadis mean anything at all – except a headache for the Indian-Nation-State.

    The other important idea is the validity of ‘independence’ of Kashmir. That is something that I examined in the linked post. Linking again.

    kashmiris cannot stop being “indian” just because they want another country.

    To use your favorite expression – You have fallen into a trap!

    Many decades ago, we were fooled into believing that Jinnah ‘represented’ a part of India. Jinnah was a put up job by the British – who represented no one, except himself and his cohort of power-grabbers. And we have seen what they have done in Pakistan. The Kashmiri ‘freedom-fighters’ are modern day Jinnahs.

    For your short-term comfort and to assuage your ‘guilt’, you want to push another 2 crore (20 million) Indians into a Sunni-Wahabbi-extremist-sharia-authoritarian hell. A regime that will have no legitimacy except what we give them.

    Do you care for other Indians …

    have you confused india the nation from india the nation-state?

    To me the current Indian Nation State is a bad choice – but realistically, do I have any other choice? For now, I choose to be a second class citizen in my country – instead of a second class citizen in some other country.

    sedition is a colonial idea created to prevent “freedom fighters” from revolting by the british raj.most of the colonial states have removed this ridiculous idea.ofcourse,the indian state has not.it is just a copy of the old raj ideas.

    The nation-state is asuric maya. But possibly for the next few decades we may need to use this maya against the asuras themselves.

  4. A fan of your blog
    October 31, 2010 at 1:10 am | #4

    Galeo Rhinus :Kashmir’s “marriage” with India has largely been “bad” because Pakistan has existed……with Pakistan at the brink of going Kaput – India is in a great position to change the status from “holding on” to Kashmir to integrating it…

    Integrating Kashmir into India is a very simple task: Abrogate Article 370. But who will do it? Who will bell the cat? Who will distance themselves from Nehruvian policy? Who will admit that Nehru made a mistake by going to the UN? Not the Congress. Never.

    A party other than Congress will have to come to power with absolute majority. They will have to call a spade a spade and take the troublemakers to task despite their religion and despite what Muslims across India may think about taking them to task. This pseudo-secular government can never do that. They will keep putting up “interlocutors” who have no say about Kashmir and India. Once you sell your soul to the devil, then what can you expect?

  5. samadhyayi
    October 31, 2010 at 1:04 pm | #5

    kyaa hamare paas woh leader hai.

  6. October 31, 2010 at 1:16 pm | #6

    A fan of your blog :

    Integrating Kashmir into India is a very simple task: Abrogate Article 370. But who will do it? Who will bell the cat? Who will distance themselves from Nehruvian policy? Who will admit that Nehru made a mistake by going to the UN? Not the Congress. Never.

    A party other than Congress will have to come to power with absolute majority. They will have to call a spade a spade and take the troublemakers to task despite their religion and despite what Muslims across India may think about taking them to task. This pseudo-secular government can never do that. They will keep putting up “interlocutors” who have no say about Kashmir and India. Once you sell your soul to the devil, then what can you expect?

    I think that is the real problem that Congress has. They have too much history for everything. It will take some other party to do some simple things. Kashmir is one of them. It is really a simple problem.

  7. Galeo Rhinus
    November 2, 2010 at 3:16 am | #7

    >>it is really a simple problem…

    Kashmir in isolation is indeed a simple problem… but – pakistan’s mere existence remains a sore point… and Pakistan’s existence was supported by those who saw Pak as a client… post may 1998 – India has carved out a situation that might allow Pak to go kaput… while it is playing with fire… I think India might be able to pull this one off… I truly think Pak and pro-pak forces in Kashmir are making their final stand before their end… we’ll see over the next few years…

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