Pakistan – An alienating identity
Three nuclear powers – cheek by jowl.| The Equalizer cartoon by David Horsey; published – May 28, 2002 in Seattlepi.com / SL | Click for image.
Fault Lines
Pakistan may have silently accepted that the premise of Pakistan’s nationhood was wrong.
Apart from a few ‘desperate’ bonzos, Pakistanis feel bad at the plight of their nation. The destructive rhetoric of Us vs Them, symbolic of the Desert Bloc, dries up in the hot sands of genocide, poverty, crime.
Unlike भारत-तंत्र Bharat-tantra.
This extract below, from a Pakistani newspaper, asks some tough questions.
First, we alienated ourselves from Hindu community because we were Muslims, and then we kept on alienating millions of our own (the Eastern wing, followed by the peripheral groups including the Baloch, Seraiki, Sindhi and the religious minorities) in trying to prove that we were Muslims.
An answer that Pakistanis are asking – and one day will get. (Cartoon by Don Wright; source and courtesy – thuklak.wordpress.com). Click for larger image.
How ‘Pakistani’ would the relatives of Habib Jalib,those martyred at Ali Hajweri shrine and the Ahmedi worship places be feeling, or for that matter the IDPs from Swat, the separatists from Balochistan, and the millions of peasants and wage labourers, who despite their right to vote our incapable of bringing material improvements in their lives, is anybody’s guess. (via An alienating identity – The Express Tribune Blog).
And Tripwires
And the answer to these questions.
On an India-Pakistan Forum, the idea of भारत-तंत्र Bharat-tantra has started getting discussed – and outlined.
भारत-तंत्र Bharat-tantra is India’s classical political ideology, that worked on four freedoms –
- धर्म (dharma – justice)
- अर्थ (arth – wealth and means)
- काम (kaam – human desires)
- मोक्ष (moksha – liberty)
and guaranteed three rights –
- ज़र (jar – gold)
- जन (jan – human ties)
- जमीन (jameen – property)
For all. And Bharattantra may be the way forward for India and Pakistan to work together, in the view of some forum members.
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i am definitely recommending u for Pakistan’s highest civilan award Nishan-i-Pakistan (Dilip Kumar and the trecherous Morarji Desai are the other two awardees). Its very evident that islam is ur achilles heel. Your otherwise brilliant intellect seems to get fogged by “ghor maya” when writing about islam. If people like maulana azad or dr zakir hussain did not favor pakistan its is becz they reliased (and rightly so) that pakistan would actually stop the process of islamization of india (dar-ul-harb to da-ul-islam). So while the muslims got their homeland they missd out on India thanks to the partition. (and do u forget the muslim partion slogan: “hans ke liya pakistan / ladh ke lenege Hindustan.” ) Can u imagine what will happen to India’s hindus if the combined muslim populations of pakistan / bangladesh / India were to be in one country. i sometimes doubt ur sanity. Whar are u? an ISI agent? or maybe u are just a typical secular hindu with his head stuck in the sand. Start doing gayatri mantra, maybe it will clear ur intellect.
You are also getting your countries mixed up.
Award for Morarji
Morarji getting an award from USA. He did nothing for India or Pakistan. He has been nominated for a carve out on Mount Rushmore.
On my payments from ISI
Payments to me from ISI had stopped after this post.
But my next post made the ISI very happy. They have proposed to increase payments to me.
Just a typical secular hindu with his head stuck in the sand
My head is out of the sand, looking at opportunities to selling out India, while my body is hidden in the sands.
Very witty Anurag (& thanks for responding) but I would appreciate if you would answer my points. Just to refresh ur memory:
Q1. Why were people like Maulana Azad / Zakir Hussain / Fakhru-ud-din Ahmad etc. against Pakistan. Pls select:
a. bcoz they loved united India
b. bcoz they loved the Hindus (a readymade bridal pool for muslim men)
c. bcoz they realized that it would stop the process of islamization of India + split up & weaken the muslim community and therefore advantage Hindu.
Q2. Favorite Anurag Saanghi scenario: “Hindus living in the same room with the combined muslim population of India / Pakistan / Bangladesh” (which would have been the case if their had been no partition) How do Hindus benefit in the said scenario. Any 2nd Look?
PS: M Desai tipped of zia-ul-haq about RAW’s spying on their nuclear program & their contacts in Pakistan. Since then India has no clue on what’s going on. Therefore he was awarded the Nishan-e-Pakistan. Forget about Rushmore, his face will soon be carved on Margalla Hills near Islamabad
PS: This comment also covers ur “shocking” post in the Pakistan Def Forum (how did u land up their).
Well … actually, I dont think in these terms. There are too many people who do think in those terms. You should really ask those people who think in terms described by you.
If I understand you correctly, it was good that partition happened. And as a ‘Hindu’ you think this was good for ‘Hindus’.
In which case there is no point in blaming Jinnah. Jinnah did a good job.
Well, I have laid out some details about a lot of ‘Hindus’ before Independence also supported the formation of Pakistan. So, to blame Jinnah and Muslim League for Partition may not quite be factual.
To me what makes sense is analysis of how Desert Bloc leadership has repeatedly fooled the world, used religion, spilled the blood of hundreds of millions of people, to retain power. The leadership of Pakistan, is a willing tool of the Desert Bloc is my reading.
I thought the forum was quite clear about the authorship of those posts. Did it mention my actual or pen-name (2ndlook)? Did I miss my name? In fact the posts there did not even link to the original Bharattantra post.
Shankar
hindu or muslim or christian has nothing to do with india…Like the word hindu they all are foreign concoctions….You are much alike muslims than me or anuraag….The same mentality of them vs us…. BTW 500-600 years of direct muslim rule couldn’t convert India but according to you minority muslims could have done that in a democratic independent India…Think about it
“hindu or muslim or christian has nothing to do with india…Like the word hindu they all are foreign concoctions”
manu pls tell that to the muslim or christian.
“BTW 500-600 years of direct muslim rule couldn’t convert India but according to you minority muslims could have done that in a democratic independent India…Think about it”
wow, Afghanistan (Hindus/Buddhists extinct); Sinkiang or Xinjiang or eastern Turkestan (Hindus/ Buddhists extinct); Pakistan (down to less than 1% of the population); Bangladesh (down to less than 10%); Kashmir valley (more or less extinct); Indonesia (only in Bali); Malaysia (less than 5%). And India, the world’s third largest (&growing) muslim population. BTW Manu, “thinking” is an activity u need to take up urgently.
I think you guys live in some “alice in wonderland” cuckooland.
Why do you feel that they need telling?
They maybe more perceptive and be clearly seeing what you are unable to. The Stumbles and Successes of India’s emergence into G20 from ship-to-mouth.
Anyway, I hereby command all Muslims and Christians to tell the truth about ‘Hinduism’ to Shanker.
I am reminded of a regularly repeated filmy dialogue. जो डर गया वो मर गया Jo dar gayaa vo mar gayaa. (Meaning – The afraid are already dead).
Maybe you need to consider that in the last 5000 years of Desert Bloc history, after hundreds of millions killed, after countless wars, they ‘still have only half of humanity’ as their ‘followers’.
See the post Half The World – http://wp.me/p8KUL-v
It has been Desert Bloc strategy to convert people to ‘Hinduism’ – if they cannot be made into Muslims or Christians. They have succeeded with some Indians at least. Make Indians think that their religion is ‘Hinduism’.
And what more the upanishads and other classical texts support me. The Hitopdesha says
अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम् ।
उदारचरितानां तु वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम् ॥
He is mine and and he is other (अयं निज: परो),
Thus calculate petty minds(वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्),
Great minds see that (उदारचरितानां तु)
All on earth are one family (वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम्)
It may not be out of place to remind you of ईसा वास्यो मिदं सर्वं isha-vaasya midam sarvam
He is in everyone.
PS – I suggest that you stop calling names and putting labels. That is not the way we do discussions at 2ndlook.
“It has been Desert Bloc strategy to convert people to ‘Hinduism’ – if they cannot be made into Muslims or Christians. They have succeeded with some Indians at least. Make Indians think that their religion is ‘Hinduism’.”
above says it all… Shankar I was in your camp sometime ago… it was regular reading of these blogs that made me think….