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Brahmi Script Used in Puducherry before 5th century BC


Aryan Invasion Theory became Aryan Migration Theory; Indus Valley became Saraswati Basin. The more we look, the more the need to look. Deeply.

Illustration from The Amarushataka Palm-Leaf Manuscript. Illustrated by the Master of Sharanakula in the 19th Century (Orissa, India).

Illustration from The Amarushataka Palm-Leaf Manuscript. Illustrated by the Master of Sharanakula in the 19th Century (Orissa, India).

Is this possible

While Aryan invaders, (makes no difference if blonde, white skinned with blue eyes or any other color) were conquering India, massacring the males, raping the women and taking children as slaves, Indian rishis in forests, learnt Sanskrit.

And Brahmi, Prakrit, Kharoshthi scripts from these invaders – wrote the complete grammar, memorized it entirely, found ways and means to transmit it from generation to generation, orally – in a matter of 300-500 years.

Can we get real

These Indians used all these foreign languages to compose more texts in these foreign languages (Sanskrit, Brahmi, Prakrit, Kharoshthi) than the rest of the ancient world, combined, could in their own languages. More than Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Persia, Greece, Rome, Chinese – all of them put together.

And then erase the collective memory of the world about these compositions and texts. How else can we account for Chinese, Tibetan, Korean, Japanese monks travelling to India – to search for knowledge and wisdom.

This is false.

Recently

New results from the analysis of paddy grains found in the Porunthal graveyard archaeological site prove that writing systems in India were in existence in the 5th Century BC, predating the arrival of Asoka, according to history professor at the Pondicherry University and director of the excavation project at Porunthal K. Rajan.

Rice paddy samples that were contained in an engraved pot found inside one of the graves were found to be from 450 BC when analysed using Accelerator Mass Spectrometry (AMS) by the Beta Analytic Lab, USA, he said, addressing a private gathering organised by the Manarkeni journal.

Earlier, paddy sample from another grave was dated at 490 BC, but many scholars were unwilling to accept evidence obtained from only one sample. The analysis of the second sample proved that Tamil-Brahmi writing existed in the 5th century BC and was not invented in the 3rd century BC as was previously believed by scholars, he said. This was also the first time anyone had discovered Tamil-Brahmi script along with rice in any archaeological site. Scholars were still debating on the exact letters that were written and its meaning, he said.

Another significant discovery from the gravesite is that the paddy samples obtained in the graves in Porunthal were cultivated paddy of the Orissa Satvaika variety. The team also found a pot with around 2 kilos of rice paddy, which had been sealed in airtight containers. These graves also contained a large number of beads, which were predominantly glass. The pottery in the grave was also engraved with Tamil-Brahmi script, he said. In two of the graves, the team found over 11,000 beads, which were made from glass or paste. The beads were originally made in the Vidarbha region, indicating a trade relationship between the two regions. (via The Hindu : States / Tamil Nadu : Porunthal excavations prove existence of Indian scripts in 5th century BC: expert).

Changing history

Sometime back researchers in Australia traced the origin of the common rat, Rattus rattus to India. How it spread from India to the world – over a period of 20,000 years. And the spread was not a natural dispersion. It was human-aided dispersion.

Another interesting discovery was the silk in Mohenjodaro-Harappa complex. The earliest sample of silk. DNA tests showed that this was not Chinese silk – but Indian silk.

This Puducherry find proves glass industry in India in 500 BC – one of the oldest in the world. How did this rice seed sample cross from Orissa to Tamil Nadu? Or was it vice versa.

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  1. October 18, 2011 at 6:39 am

    Tamil Brahmi is just a myth propagated. These Tamil investigators come with lot of stuff. But nothing is attested by ASI. Most of these evidences are Just press reports of sensational claims, mostly in ‘The Hindu’ Newspaper(Anti Hindu , communist Newspaper).

    Follow my post for more

    As far as the Dating Brahmi , I am of the view Brahmi is much more antique then 300BC.

  2. Sridhar
    October 18, 2011 at 6:58 am

    Hi, I find your posts very interesting and thought-provoking. Our culture unlike any other always laid greatest emphasis on gyan and vigyan over everything else in the universe. That’s the great spirit of our fore-fathers. The social, political and all spheres were very carefully laid out by our fore-fathers. Of course this does not mean I denounce our current changes.

    Change, we must – that’s only way to experiment and find the ultimate truth. I only hope in the process, we do not forget our great old principles, and in that respect your posts and watchful eyes and ears would, I am sure, come in handy.

  3. October 18, 2011 at 9:27 am
    Thanks for the interesting link on Brahmi.

    For the next 10 minutes, keep aside the politics of history.

    1. What this post shows is that there is writing in Puducherry in 5BC. Whether North Brahmi, Ashokan Brahmi, Southern Brahmi, Afghan Brahmi are questions that people who understand that can answer. But that Brahmi lived and was used in Tamil Nadu before 5th BC is important.

    2. The abnormally recent dating given to Indian history has one major flaw. Were Indians so brilliant that they could create a RDBMS data base language in a few centuries, trains lakhs of people, write crores of pages, memorized by lakhs of people, create a system of memorization which spans at least 2000 years. These feats of learning has not been duplicated in human history – and cannot be done in a few centuries. It takes millennia.

    3. The significance of rice a Orissa type of rice in Tamil Nadu. This has enormous significance in terms of agriculture development in India..

    4. Now step outside India. There are examples of Dravidian languages in Elam – (modern Iran) which is based on Dravidian language. Or the name of Hittite kings in Turkey. Or the link between Uralaic languages and Dravidian languages. There is something to the antiquity of India – whether, Brahmi, Prakrit, Kharoshthi or Sanskrit or whatever, is immaterial.

  4. vokoyo
    October 28, 2011 at 1:01 am

    International Recognition Of China’s Sovereignty over the Nansha Islands

    1. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and the Northern Island

    (a) China Sea Pilot compiled and printed by the Hydrography Department of the Royal Navy of the United Kingdom in 1912 has accounts of the activities of the Chinese people on the Nansha Islands in a number of places.

    (b) The Far Eastern Economic Review (Hong Kong) carried an article on Dec. 31 of 1973 which quotes the British High Commissioner to Singapore as having said in 1970: “Spratly Island (Nanwei Island in Chinese) was a Chinese dependency, part of Kwangtung Province… and was returned to China after the war. We can not find any indication of its having been acquired by any other country and so can only conclude it is still held by communist China.”

    2. France

    (a) Le Monde Colonial Illustre mentioned the Nansha Islands in its September 1933 issue. According to that issue, when a French gunboat named Malicieuse surveyed the Nanwei Island of the Nansha Islands in 1930, they saw three Chinese on the island and when France invaded nine of the Nansha Islands by force in April 1933, they found all the people on the islands were Chinese, with 7 Chinese on the Nanzi Reef, 5 on the Zhongye Island, 4 on the Nanwei Island, thatched houses, water wells and holy statues left by Chinese on the Nanyue Island and a signboard with Chinese characters marking a grain storage on the Taiping Island.

    (b) Atlas International Larousse published in 1965 in France marks the Xisha, Nansha and Dongsha Islands by their Chinese names and gives clear indication of their ownership as China in brackets.

    3. Japan

    (a) Yearbook of New China published in Japan in 1966 describes the coastline of China as 11 thousand kilometers long from Liaodong Peninsula in the north to the Nansha Islands in the south, or 20 thousand kilometers if including the coastlines of all the islands along its coast;

    (b) Yearbook of the World published in Japan in 1972 says that Chinese territory includes not only the mainland, but also Hainan Island, Taiwan, Penghu Islands as well as the Dongsha, Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands on the South China Sea.

    4. The United States

    (a) Columbia Lippincott World Toponymic Dictionary published in the United States in 1961 states that the Nansha Islands on the South China Sea are part of Guangdong Province and belong to China.

    (b) The Worldmark Encyclopaedia of the Nations published in the United States in 1963 says that the islands of the People’s Republic extend southward to include those isles and coral reefs on the South China Sea at the north latitude 4°.

    (c) World Administrative Divisions Encyclopaedia published in 1971 says that the People’s Republic has a number of archipelagoes, including Hainan Island near the South China Sea, which is the largest, and a few others on the South China Sea extending to as far as the north latitude 4°, such as the Dongsha, Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands.

    5. Viet Nam

    (a) Vice Foreign Minister Dung Van Khiem of the Democratic Republic of Viet Nam received Mr. Li Zhimin, charge d’affaires ad interim of the Chinese Embassy in Viet Nam and told him that “according to Vietnamese data, the Xisha and Nansha Islands are historically part of Chinese territory.” Mr. Le Doc, Acting Director of the Asian Department of the Vietnamese Foreign Ministry, who was present then, added that “judging from history, these islands were already part of China at the time of the Song Dynasty.”

    (b) Nhan Dan of Viet Nam reported in great detail on September 6, 1958 the Chinese Government’s Declaration of September 4, 1958 that the breadth of the territorial sea of the People’s Republic of China should be 12 nautical miles and that this provision should apply to all territories of the People’s Republic of China, including all islands on the South China Sea. On September 14 the same year, Premier Pham Van Dong of the Vietnamese Government solemnly stated in his note to Premier Zhou Enlai that Viet Nam “recognizes and supports the Declaration of the Government of the People’s Republic of China on China’s territorial sea.”

    (c) It is stated in the lesson The People’s Republic of China of a standard Vietnamese school textbook on geography published in 1974 that the islands from the Nansha and Xisha Islands to Hainan Island and Taiwan constitute a great wall for the defense of the mainland of China.

  5. JP
    December 30, 2011 at 7:13 am

    The reason for finding a common type of rice in Pondicherry and Orissa could be based on religious reasons. At the Jagannath temple of Puri, the Lord is served with fresh harvested rice every day. Given that different paddy crops are suited best for different seasons, pilgrims from different parts of India should have contributed different strains/varieties of local paddy to regions around orissa to make this possible. At one point in time, there were 10,000 different varieties of paddy being cultivated in India alone! That rich bio-diversity is lost now – forever.

    The other general part of our own history that we have lost permanently is due to changes in the geography. The Tamil kingdoms of south India have had a long history. The Pandians count from antiquity. Tamil as a language was nurtured by the Pandia kings by way of Tamil Sangams. The first Tamil Sangam was supposedly at Kapadapuram (called Mudar-Changam). This was presided by Lord Shiva himself who also ruled the Tamil Pandia kingdom. The sage Agastiyar had composed a grammar rule book called AGATHIYAM (much like the later day Sanskrit grammar by Pannini). Kapadapuram was lost to sea. Subsequently came in the Middle or Idai-Changam. The last of the Tamil Sangams was held at today’s Madurai. That was when Tholgappiam was written. This is a Tamil grammar book available till today and Tholgappiyar who wrote this, was the disciple of Agastiyar (Muni). As per Tamil legend, Lord Muruga (Skanda in Sanskrit) was the originator of all languages and Agastiya Muni was his disciple who formalized it for all human beings. There is a strong possibility that Agastiya Muni could also have formalized Sanskrit language along with Tamil. One should also recall that our Puranas state that Agastiya Muni came to South India from North India at the behest of Lord Shiva himself. Hence Tamil and Sanskrit are two languages that were used since times of antiquity in all of India. Note that the word Sangam is itself a Sanskrit word which was used to describe a very significant movement for Tamil language

  6. marx
    March 11, 2012 at 3:53 am

    Moda Sattva :

    Tamil Brahmi is just a myth propagated. These Tamil investigators come with lot of stuff. But nothing is attested by ASI. Most of these evidences are Just press reports of sensational claims, mostly in ‘The Hindu’ Newspaper(Anti Hindu , communist Newspaper).
    Follow my post for more
    As far as the Dating Brahmi , I am of the view Brahmi is much more antique then 300BC.

    The blog is full of absurd and bizarre claims with no proofs and use of very harsh language on the people who comment by pointing out the author’s mistakes.
    The author and his credentials become even more controversial.

  7. Armando
    March 22, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Hi,
    I’m at work browsing your blog from my iphone 4s! Just wanted to say I love reading through your blog and look forward to all your posts!

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