Land Of Fear, Home To The Cowering
Can a judicial system work, if lawyers are afraid of criticizing the judges? What use is a lawyer who is afraid of a judge?.
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Fear Stalks The Land | Emotional Flow Chart By Andy Singer, Politicalcartoons.com – 5/18/2012 12:00:00 AM
n the last 6 months, two readers of 2ndlook, from the US, on a visit to India, requested for a meeting with me.
Coming in from the cold
One was a young Indian software engineer, in his twenties, just starting off in his career – and confused. The second was a Brown American techpreneur, around fifty years of age.
The young person requested that no details of his visit and meeting should be written – because he was afraid. Afraid of being a 2ndlook reader. Since 2ndlook blogs are ‘anti-West’ this young man was afraid that he could be trouble in the US, for reading 2ndlook.
The Brown American techpreneur, when confronted on why there is constant dribble of drooling criticism on India replied, ‘I cannot criticize America. Let us face it, I am afraid.’
Both of them were discussing what should be done to ‘help’ India. To the first one, was a simple advice. If you are successful, India is successful.
To the Brown American was again simple advice – ‘Don’t worry about India. We will manage. Very well, without your help.’
Fear is the key
Now the common factor in both cases was the fear. Real palpable fear.
2ndlook having been criticized or being anti-Yummrika, I ignored both these incidents. Since, the role of the Big Brother State has been covered extensively in 2ndlook, these fears are not groundless.
Now read this.
Reacting to a speech by SCOTUS Justice Antonin Scalia,
“That speech … is unimaginably injudicious,” wrote a lawyer in an e-mail to AlterNet who did not want to be named because he appears in federal court.
via Is Scalia the most vile person in Washington? – Salon.com.
Can you imagine any Indian lawyer not wanting his name in the newspaper or appear on TV – while discussing or criticizing a judgement.
Can a judicial system work, if lawyers are afraid of criticizing the judges? What use is a lawyer who is afraid of a judge?
Lawyers are supposed to take on the judges, the prosecutor from the government and make points for his client – without fear or favor.
Something is indeed rotten in the State of …
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Very true. Americans whom I have met, incl Indians, are very afraid to discuss 9-11, Black Ops, Ted Gunderson, the Federal Reserve, the rigged Dubya election, the Waco episode, US actions in South America, HAARP etc etc etc. The fear is palpable.
Wrong advice. You should have told your visitors. “I am an Indian. I don’t comment about America because it is your country and your problem”
@Topic Bull /Sam Malone
You mean I should have told him, straight on his face? Just like that … but he was trembling with fear. Demented, I say.
But you are right.
We Hindus are not like you Yummrikans. We respect other people’s feelings, you know. We dont tell directly.
But you are right.
We have start learning today. You Yummrikans will not be there 20-40 years later to manage the world.
Then we will have to do this. What to do? So much work, and so little time?
I wish you Yummrikans were in not in such a hurry to go down!
Right. But your country will be there and will not split into Dalitistan and Mughalistan and Maoistan.
these guys cannot be very successful otherwise they would not be so cowardly
education and success/wealth usually brings confidence
i am brown skin with my whole life spent in gora land.
i love coming to this blog and using the information to set my british friends
straight. they might wince but always take it, maybe americans are different
i grew up with “why dont you go back to where you came from”
when i hear a jumped up american, australian, spanish or portuguese
i love to tell them that all the great lands and wealth belonged to brown skins
and they should all go back to where they came from
I am talking the other Indians who no longer exist..
see bbc program “thank an Indian”
of course my british friends also know I love them and I love great britain
WHY because the britsh gave me the opportunities for education, good
job with decent money, my own house/car, good education for my children and
I have seen the world.
Plus I know what the internet is and hence I am here.
without the british I would doing khethi with my hal and bullocks,
caring for my maj on the dusty plains of the punjab.
Maybe if the british had not come to India things might have
been different yet again, but it is what it is
my point is there are subtle ways to get the message across..
you have to give love as you expose the hateful facts
slowly slowly the gora does come around, especially if you are talking
from point of friendship/having some money in your pocket, because that is
all they respect. especially americans
PS; I love your blog and what I have learnt from it.. GOD BLESS THE INTERNET
PPS;
also you are all middle class Indians who are lucky enough to get onto the internet
and this blog from your home country. some of us and our parents only had hope by escaping India. We would be some of those 100s millions who you may occasionally see
when you pass those god forsaken villages, you may not like us but is it traitorous to escape grinding poverty?
Topic Bull/Sam Malone – You are slipping and becoming a burden on the fair name of Hindustan.
Apart from Dalitistan, Mughalistan Maoistan – are you not forgetting the Dravidistan, Isaistan, Khalistan, – and today a reader suggest Hingland. Apart from this there has been 70 year old story that linguistic states in this country will make it easy to break up.
You are forgetting that two nuclear neighbors for at least 50 years, with the active help of the USA has been trying break India. The 1965 war by Pakistan was fought with the active assistance of the US military advisor to Pakistan. In May 1965, General Robert Wiygul Burns became chief of the Military Assistance Advisory Group, Pakistan. In the 1971 War Chuck Yeager supervised PAF operations against India.
November 26 attack on Mumbai was planned in the US by CIA-DEA agents – Tahawwur Rana and David Coleman Headley.
So, if your case is the Balkanisation of India, you are behind.
If it is prediction, those have been made now for nearly 100 – soon after BG Tilak made his demand for Swarajya. Niether new or original.
At this rate, you people will become a blot on us Indians. Please stop calling your self Indians on any count. Become White – and effete.
This quality of response is laughable.
Come to Daddy!
Avtar Sing – You say you are from UK – and this post is about US! I am getting a little lost …
Good fer ya! What does it have to do with us?
I am glad that you are not doing this in India.
In India we respect our farmers a lot.
After all, the predecessors of your English friends, who you love so much, had left India as a ‘ship-to-mouth ‘ economy. Today, the Punjabi farmer is prosperous man.
And all this without the US$100 billion subsidy that the ‘gora-land’ gives to its farmers.
With your kind of contempt for farming, we would have still been a starving nation. All for the best.
This is good advice.
For all of you who are living with your good friends and need those good friends.
We do it differently – and we know how to make the goras listen to us.
I will keep you on my Rolodex. Whenever we need advice, we will come to you.
Our villages have not been forsaken by anybody – least of all, our gods. So, please keep these illusions and perceptions somewhere safe.
If you repeat them here, people may think that you are one of those ignorant goras.
Where, show me one place, just one place, where in any of the 1200 posts, this has been suggested.
But …
Having made your choice, please be at peace. We all in India usually clap very loudly when you guys do well. But that may need to change, because some of these uncouth Brown foreigners did not have the courtesy to appreciate our clapping.
What is surprising, and that is the nub of the whole matter, why do all of you Brown foreigners, who have escaped, now resent our success? Why cant you respect us, if not equally, at least to some extent that we do.
What choices we make are our own business – just like your choices are yours.
Already the Brown foreigner is half ignored.
This probably is the last phase of this cycle. If the Brown foreigner behaviour does not change – and pronto, they may make themselves decidedly unwelcome.
PS One small suggestion. Don’t come back with an answer that we care for our Motherland; we feel for the land of our ancestors, etc. It doesn’t wash. Not anymore.
PPS – Thanks for taking time come to the 2ndlook blog and share your thoughts. Your thoughts and your language have been extremely illustrative, representative, and to say the least, useful.
us/uk they are the same people, what works with one will mostly work with the other.
I am not giving you advice on how to deal with americans or british, I am just telling you my experience on what works with them.
my success has nothing to do with you (or those here you may represent), maybe I am just pleased with myself
you could never be as glad me that I am not doing this (farming) in India
“in India we respect our farmers a lot” Are you sure? When some friends of mine from Delhi and the nearby town went to this village of farmers for them it seemed a very novel experience.
My father had been in said village since 1999 and I visited regularly. It seemed to me that the farmers are pretty remote from the vast amount of non farmers.
I would be very pleased to be in your rolodex, since I like your blog and the information you give here. I am not telling you how to deal with goras and nowhere did I presume you do not know how to deal with these people. I am merely stating what has worked for me.
“god forsaken” When I wander around what is a relatively prosperous Indian village and see the biharis who do all the farm work and think maybe it would be nice if they and their children had the same advantages that, just by my good luck, I have had. Back in their home rather than having to travel far to find wor.
Even in said prosperous village it is sad to see that so many residents having the need to escape to foreign lands. Rather than being able to fulfill all their desires in their own home.
“traitorous” You have never anywhere in your blog suggested this. It is something I have picked up from some other sites.
I have not made any choices, this is just my life and the choices were set in motion for me.
You are correct I have never received anything but praise for my achievements from people in India and indeed they do clap very loudly.
I very much hope I am not one of these uncouth foreign brown skins. But then again I may well be.. because I am very likely to have picked up the direct taking methods of the society I have grown up in, that is inevitable. My problem is that I am too direct talking for any society.
If I am showing that I do not respect you or any Indian then I apologise. My life has been dead easy and the people I respect more than anybody on this planet are those that can do the hard graft in tougher environments.
Ignoring someone merely because they are a brown foreinger is to tar all with the same brush.
Even those brown foreigners that might be decent people get thrown out with the rubbish.
Being a brown foreigner in India is much easier than being a brown foreigner in gora land.
You will have to spot me before you can make me unwelcome.
As I said in my previous post I have spent a great deal of my life being unwelcome and it is something that deoes not bother me. It has not held me back the last 47 years and will not affect me in my remaining years.
I am like any other human I mostly act in my self interest. I am not into romanticism; fatherland, motherland, ancestors etc… I am merely inerested in learning about India its history/ my history, through an agenda that is no longer controlled by imperialists or conquerors. For that I thank the internet.
This is usually called advice – but if you insist that you are not advising, then one will accept.
Have I implied that we had anything to do with your success – anywhere?
One could argue that India had something to do with your success – but I will let that pass, for reasons of futility.
You have good reasons to be pleased and I am not detracting from your success or reducing it any manner.
My concern, which you do not address and acknowledge is why do Brown foreigners like to compulsively reduce our success.
Their response is very similar to the famed Pavlovian dogs – the bells ring, and they start drooling.
I suggest that you dont repeat these perceptions.
But if you do want to, the risk of being labelled as a ‘phoren’ ignoramus is real and valid.
I hope you see the contradiction and disrespect.
When you travel outside the country and consort with the goras, you are brave, intrepid, successful, resourceful, et al.
But if a Bihari travels out, he is god-forsaken. Can we have consistency and respect here please.
There are 4000-year old accounts of women inn-keepers from India in Babylon. Why do you assume that Indians will not seek opportunity and wealth all over the country – and the world.
The simple answer to Punjab’s prosperity is the Bihari labor. India made a lot of investments in Punjab in setting up irrigation systems which have made Punjab very productive. As mentioned earlier, the goras had left us in no position to make those investments simultaneously all over India.
Good that you acknowledge it.
Direct talking is nothing to do with being uncouth.
Yet it has a lot to do with disrespect and what is called compensatory behaviour.
Probably, you are compensating for the your lack of options when the ‘jumped up’ goras who tell you to go back to where you come – and you do not want to go back to ‘the hal, bullocks and the farm’.
Is it that you you are giving disrespect because you are getting it?
I can plainly see the amount of the respect you have from your perceptions of for the ‘god-forsaken’ Indian farmers and for us the middle class who are not in touch with them, etc.
In the end I leave you to sweat out your demons – and your contradictions.
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